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Harry ‘Fat’ Painter

Harry Painter with the Vancouver Athletic Club in 1912.
Harry Painter with the Vancouver Athletic Club in 1912.

HARRY JOHN ‘FAT’ PAINTER
(February 10, 1890 – August 5, 1940)

Vancouver Athletic Club (1911; 1913)
Vancouver Athletics (1914)
Vancouver Lacrosse Club (1915; 1921)
Vancouver ‘Greenshirts’ (1918)
Vancouver Terminals (1919-1920; 1921-1924)

Harry ‘Fat’ Painter was a defensive mainstay for Vancouver lacrosse teams for 10 seasons. He broke into the professional game when the Vancouver Athletic Club, three-time Mann Cup champions, made their jump from the senior amateurs to challenge New Westminster Salmonbellies for the Minto Cup in 1913. His usual playing spot was at point although he did fill in at coverpoint and first defence for parts of a few seasons.

After the demise of the Vancouver Athletics, Con Jones signed him in 1915 for his resurrected Vancouver Lacrosse Club. Like all lacrosse players in British Columbia, he was inactive in 1916 and 1917 when organised play in the province was suspended due to the Great War.

He played a couple games for Vancouver during the 1918 revival involving the Mainland Lacrosse Association before becoming a fixture on the Vancouver Terminals from 1919 until the end of the professional game in 1924. In 1921, ‘Fat’ Painter was part of the Vancouver player exodus who followed Con Jones into his short-lived, rival Pacific Coast Lacrosse Association. Painter would return to the Terminals for a couple of games in 1921 and then resume on a full-time basis with them a year later in July 1922.

‘Fat’ Painter with the Vancouver Athletic Club in 1913.
‘Fat’ Painter with the Vancouver Athletic Club in 1913.

His younger brother, Joseph Painter, a midfielder, became a team-mate of his with the PCLA’s Vancouver Lacrosse Club in 1921 and then followed him over to the Terminals in 1922.

‘Fat’ Painter played in 81 professional games for the various teams that represented Vancouver in professional lacrosse and Minto Cup play. He never scored any goals but chalked up 28 penalties and 155 in penalty minutes.

His father, HJ Painter, had been the city assessor in Vancouver. Harry Painter attended Fairview and King Edward high-schools in his youth and later attended the University of British Columbia. As a sixteen year-old he played lacrosse for a Fairview team in what was most likely a local, Vancouver junior league.

Harry Painter passed away suddenly on August 5, 1940 when he was found dead at his home by his brother-in-law. At the time of his death, he had been working as acting assistant superintendent at the post office, his employer for 29 years. He was survived by his wife and two children, William and Daphne.

(PHOTO SOURCE: CVA 99-1019 excerpt; CVA 99-31 excerpt)

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Harry Godfrey

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Harry Godfrey, 1913

HARRY ROWELL GODFREY
(1880/1881 – April 12, 1941)

Vancouver Lacrosse Club (ca.1904-1913)

One of the most prevalent and – at the same time, for the modern historian – most daunting and frustrating aspects of researching lacrosse history in Canada is the sport’s heavy reliance on oral history. Stories and anecdotes that have been passed down word-of-mouth between the generations which are then later documented to paper as ‘fact’ – and then trying to sort out all the inconsistencies that then arise when these stories do not match.

Visual references such as film footage of lacrosse is essentially non-existent, with only a single-known, brief, blurry clip dating from before the 1920s, so we are forced to rely on the words of newspaper reports, photographs, and reminiscences of those who were there at the matches. While granted that photographs are visual references, they are however but a singular instant captured in time and generally do not shed any clues as to the actual playing ability of the subjects in them.

With so many of the great lacrosse players from yesterday, while it has been passed along in generalised terms that such and such player was a great star or a fan favourite, we have very little factual data today as to show why they were so regarded. The inevitable passing of time ensured that a player obituary was written with little regard for accuracy and more focus on memorialising the deceased in the very best light. First-hand reminiscence and observations do have value when documented at the time of occurrence, but as time marches on, those memories grow old and fade and often start to diverge and contradict with the hard facts that do remain and can be confirmed.

When it comes to many of the early inductees in the Canadian Lacrosse Hall of Fame, we know perhaps two or three sentences about them – and nothing more. In regard to many players and people involved in the game a hundred years ago, we don’t even know when they were born nor in many cases when they died. It’s a serious, sad state of affairs but one we must grudgingly live with because historical preservation had different priorities and criteria decades ago. Obviously, the powers that be, in their day, viewed (and in many cases, knew firsthand) that these players had incredible, outstanding merits – but once acknowledging and honouring these individuals, practically no effort was then made to preserve the actual documentation and facts to keep their history alive and tell their unique stories to the generations to come.

The passing of time has created a whole collection of “he was one of the greatest…” players with their distinctions blurred, lost, and forgotten. The subsequent piecing together their stories from the various contradictory sources becomes a broken and misplaced jigsaw at times.

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Harry Godfrey, 1912

One such player is Harry Godfrey.

We are told he was a great player; the people in the lacrosse community who came before us saw him worthy enough to be inducted into the Canadian Lacrosse Hall of Fame in 1970, just five years after the hall was established.

Today, however, forty-five-plus years after his induction and over a century since he played his last game, we now do not know very much about him nor what drove his greatness. And when those scraps of facts which can be gleaned from newspapers and other sources are cobbled together, in the case of Harry Godfrey, the puzzle creates more contradictions and questions than it does assemble a clear picture. For such a well-known and well-regarded player in his day, the factual information about him is all over the place when it comes to the details.

Harry Rowell Godfrey was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba – and already starting with his birth we have contradictions with personal information, as there are at least three birthdates associated with him: March 21, 1880, August 14, 1880, and March 13, 1881. His gravestone at Mountainview cemetery in Vancouver shows just “1880-1941” and cemetery records list March 21, but the 1911 edition of C.W. Parker’s Who’s Who in Western Canada directory lists the latter of the three birthdate dates in the entry for Harry Godfrey.

We know nothing of him prior to his arrival in Vancouver in 1888 or 1900 – as, once again, sources vary on the year of that occurrence as well. His obituary in the newspaper quoted 1900 while Parker’s Who’s Who indicates he moved west as a child in 1888.

Godfrey did not start playing lacrosse, it is reported, until his arrival in the Terminal City and it has also been said that he was on the Vancouver YMCA senior team that traveled east in 1901 to challenge for the Minto Cup. This seems incredulous if he did arrive in Vancouver in 1900 with no playing experience.

Even more interesting, in May 1904, he was unanimously elected the club captain of the Vancouver Lacrosse Club – an impressive feat for a player with possibly only four years’ playing experience under his belt, and an event which earnt him mention in the press. These two events make one suspect whether he did have some exposure or playing experience prior to his relocation to Vancouver or whether 1888 is an accurate year for when he left Winnipeg.

We know he ran a sporting goods store, Harry R. Godfrey Gunsmiths & Sporting Goods, which was located first on Cordova Street and then later moved to 123 West Hastings. His business opened in 1902 or 1903 but had closed up shop by 1916. Amongst other items, his store sold lacrosse sticks to players of all ages and ability.

As for his playing ability, according to a newspaper article written at the time of his death in 1941, Godfrey was “…a big and wiry man,” who “…starred at home [i.e. midfield], and, later, defense. He was greatly respected by teammates and opposition both. After his playing days were over he was in the sporting goods business for many years, and later operated a mink farm in Burnaby.” Meanwhile The Spokesman-Review newspaper of Spokane, Washington specifically pointed him out in their review of the on-going 1907 Canadian lacrosse season him as Vancouver’s “husky inside home player”.

Outside of lacrosse, he excelled in basketball and had a keen interest in the YMCA organisation. In 1907 he married Viroqua E. Bonser and had at least one daughter and possibly more children.

Then there are the questionable facts which were later preserved but probably never verified – this is part of the oral history regarding Godfrey that was passed along from second- and third-hand sources. The classic but unsubstantiated ‘I knew a guy who knew a guy who knew or saw him play, and he said…’

According the biography written for Godfrey’s induction in the hall of fame, he played for “a number of school and junior teams” and that “he completed his field lacrosse career by playing ten years of senior lacrosse from 1907 to 1917 until the team disbanded because of the war.” Reading these words, what has happened, is a blurring of facts and dates due to the passage of time and memories.

Victoria Daily Colonist, (May 21, 1904)
Victoria Daily Colonist, (May 21, 1904)

Based on more recent newspaper investigation, his playing career spanned a period starting no later than 1902 and ending no later than 1913. He played professional lacrosse from 1909 through 1913 with Vancouver Lacrosse Club – and due to the regulations at the time, there would have been no way Godfrey could have then been permitted to play senior (amateur) lacrosse after his professional career ended. Assuming he did regain his reinstatement as an amateur player, his name does not appear in game reports nor are there any photographs of him with the Vancouver Athletic Club, the senior amateur team of the day nor any other team for that matter. Both the VLC professional team and the VAC amateur team disbanded in 1915 and there was no organised or sanctioned lacrosse played in British Columbia during the war years of 1916 and 1917.

As for his alleged junior and school career which came before his senior career, it is difficult to determine when this would have occurred if he did not play any lacrosse prior to moving to Vancouver or if he did not move to Vancouver as a child. Since sources vary when he arrived in Vancouver, if it were the latter age of 20, in ca.1900, he would have been too old for the junior or scholastic leagues of the time. If he arrived on the Coast as a boy, then playing the game in his youth become much more feasible and probable.

Harry Godfrey passed away in 1941 and was interred at Mountain View Cemetery in Vancouver, memorialised on a Godfrey family headstone. He was inducted into the Canadian Lacrosse Hall of Fame in 1970.

(PHOTO SOURCES: CVA 99-35; CLHOF X979.145.1)

Harry Pickering

Harry Pickering, 1912
Harry Pickering, 1912

HARRY SHERMAN PICKERING
(February 18, 1881 – October 8, 1936)

Toronto Tecumsehs (1906-1908)
Ottawa Capitals (1909)
Vancouver Lacrosse Club (1910-1913; 1915)
Vancouver Athletics (1914)
Vancouver Greenshirts (1918)
Vancouver Terminals (1919-1920)

Born in Mount Forest, a small community located in Wellington County, Ontario, Harry Pickering played seven years of lacrosse as a youngster with the Mount Forest teams.

The Vancouver Daily Province remarked at the time of his passing, in 1936, that Pickering – “who will go down in history as one of the smoothest, toughest defencemen that game has known” – had honed his skills while playing in the sandlots of Toronto and was then spotted by Toronto Tecumsehs manager Charlie Querrie. However, this conflicts with more contemporary knowledge about him, as this embellished story in his obituary takes no account of his experience in Mount Forest and he played a year with Chatham in the intermediate series before the Toronto Tecumsehs signed him in 1906 to play third defence.

On September 22, 1906, he married 19-year-old Mary Colquhoun in York, Ontario.

After three seasons with the Tecumsehs and winning the National Lacrosse Union championship with them in 1906 and 1908, Pickering was playing at his peak. He changed teams in 1909 when he signed with the Ottawa Capitals – trading in three winning seasons for an atrocious, last-place finish. Regina Capitals tried unsuccessfully to sign him that same year for their ensemble challenge against the New Westminster Salmonbellies for the Minto Cup.

Pickering was signed by Con Jones in September 1909 to play for Vancouver Lacrosse Club in exhibition matches played during the BC Provincial Exhibition held the following month. He would remain on the Pacific Coast with Vancouver for the next dozen years – first as a leading veteran player with Vancouver and then later in a player-manager capacity when Con Jones bowed out of the game.

He was reported by the Ottawa Citizen to be the highest paid player with Vancouver in 1910 however other newspaper sources state that he received the same $50 per week wage as the other Eastern imports that same season.

There were rumours of him returning to Ottawa in 1911 for business reasons however he remained on the Pacific Coast. The following season Pickering was rumoured to be signing with a Toronto team.

Con Jones pulled the plug on his Vancouver Lacrosse Club team and withdrew from the league in July 1913 after a dispute over scheduling with the Salmonbellies. Harry Pickering was a member of a four-player committee along with ‘Newsy’ Lalonde, Harry Griffiths, and Harry Godfrey who then took control over the team when Jones quit but the quartet were unable to keep the club running nor resume the season.

When the Vancouver Athletic Club made the move to the professional ranks the following year, as a replacement for Jones’s club, Pickering was one of a handful of ex-VLC players who joined up with VAC. Sadly the Athletics’ season fared just as poorly on the field and at the gate as their predecessors had the year before, as the 1914 professional campaign collapsed after just 6 games.

With the Vancouver teams, he played the position of what would, in the modern game, be regarded as a defensive midfielder. He appeared in 78 games for Vancouver in his 9 playing seasons on the Coast. After Con Jones quit the professional game (once again) after the 1918 season, Harry Pickering took over as manager for the Vancouver Terminals for three seasons from 1919 to 1921. He won three Minto Cup championships – all with Vancouver – in 1911, the disputed 1918 series, and in 1920.

In April 1915, Pickering made an interesting statement which appeared in the Montréal Journal of Commerce, observing the climatic differences that Eastern and Western players faced and the bearing on their game. While not expressly pointing out what those differences were, Pickering stated that “a team going to the coast should either play the day after their arrival, or wait a couple of weeks. The difference in climate makes the players sleepy.

He retired after the 1920 season due to shoulder problems and moved into the referee ranks. He refereed in the 1923 Mann Cup series between Victoria Capitals and New Westminster Salmonbellies as the two divisional champions of the British Columbia Coast Lacrosse Association met for the gold trophy.

Pickering passed away at the general hospital in New Westminster on October 8, 1936 after a prolonged illness. He had been coach of the Richmond Farmers in the Inter-City Lacrosse League in the 1936 season until poor health forced him out of the game.

Harry Pickering was inducted into the Canadian Lacrosse Hall of Fame as a charter member in the Field category in 1965.

(PHOTO SOURCE: detail from CVA99-43)

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